LOOKING TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP JESUS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Friday, November 16, 2007

Repentance and Faith

The following can be found here... http://www.christiantruth.com/savingfaithandtheologians.html

Henry C. Thiessen

The Scriptures appeal to man to turn to God (Prov. 1:23; lsa. 31:6,59:20; Ezek. 14:6, 18:32, 33:9-11)...Conversion is that turning to God and it represents the human response to the call of God. It consists of two elements: repentance and faith.

The importance of repentance is not always recognized as it should be. Some call upon the unsaved to accept Christ and to believe without ever showing the sinner that he is lost and needs a savior. But the Scriptures lay much stress on the preaching of repentance.Repentance was the message of the Old Testament prophets (Deut. 30: 10-1 2 Kings 17:13; Jer. 8:6, Ezek. 14:6, 18:30). It was the keynote of the preaching of John the Baptist (Matt. 3:2; Mark 11:15), of Christ (Matt. 4:17; Luke 13:3-5), of the twelve as such (Mark 6:12), and in particular of Peter on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38; cf. 3:19). It was also fundamental to the preaching of Paul (Acts 20:21; 26:20).

The dispensational change has not made repentance unnecessary in this age; it is definitely a command to all men (Acts 17:30). This is what Paul said at Athens, the farthest removed from a Jewish environment. Repentance is something in which all heaven is supremely interested (Luke 15:7, 10; 24:46f). It is the fundamental of fundamentals (Matt. 21:32; Heb. 6: 1) because it is an absolute condition of salvation (Luke 13:2-5).Repentance is essentially a change of mind, taking the word in a broad sense. It has, however, three aspects: an intellectual, an emotional, and a volitional aspect1) The intellectual element – This implies a change of view. It is a change of view with regard to sin, God and self.2) The emotional element – This implies a change of feeling. Sorrow for sin and a desire for pardon are aspects of repentance.3) The volitional element – This element implies a change of will, disposition and purpose. This is the inward turning from sin.Repentance is not a satisfaction rendered to God, but a condition of the heart necessary before we can believe unto salvation. Furthermore true repentance never exists apart from faith.. Conversely we may say that true faith never exists without repentance. The two are inseparably bound together.


What then is faith? ... In conversion, faith is the turning of the soul to God as repentance is the turning of the soul from sin ... We may say that the scriptures represent faith as an act of the heart. It therefore involves an intellectual, an emotional and a volitional change. Men believe with the heart to be saved (Romans 10:9f). The scriptures emphasize the intellectual aspect of faith in such references as Psalm 9:10, John 2:23f and Romans 10:14. Nicodemus had faith in this sense of the term when he came to Jesus (John 3:2) and the demons we are told, believe, for they know the facts concerning God (James 2:19). It is no doubt in this sense also that Simon Magus believed (Acts 8:13) for there are no indications that he repented and appropriated Christ.

We conclude therefore that faith must be more than intellectual assent. A man is not saved unless his faith has all three of these elements in it (emotional, intellectual, volitional). The voluntary element, however, is so comprehensive that it presupposes the other two. Certainly no one can be saved who does not voluntarily appropriate Christ. The voluntary element includes the surrender of the heart to God and the appropriation of Christ as Saviour. The former is brought out in such scriptures as ‘Give me you heart my son and let your eyes delight in my ways’ (Prov. 23:26). ‘Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me’ (Matt. 11:28). ‘If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sister, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple’ (Luke 14:26).

That the Greek term pisteuo (to believe or trust) is used in the sense of surrender and commitment is seen in such statements as: ‘But Jesus on his part was not entrusting himself to them for he knew all men’ (John 2:24). ‘They were entrusted with the gospel’ (Gal. 2:7). The scriptures frequently emphasize that men should count the cost before deciding to follow Christ (Matt. 8:19–22, Luke 14:26-33). The thought of surrender is also implied in the exhortation to accept Jesus as Lord. The command is, ‘Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ’ (Acts 16:31). And we must ‘confess Jesus as Lord to be saved’ (Rom. 10:9) To believe in Him as Lord is to recognize Him as Lord, and we cannot recognize Him as Lord until we ourselves abdicate.

This note of faith is often overlooked or even referred to as a later time of consecration, but the scriptures connect it with the initial experience of salvation (Henry Thiessen, Lectures in Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1979), pp. 268-270, 271-273).



Blogger Susan said...

This is excellent.

I'll bet the rest of Theissen's Systematic Theology is good as well. I have Grudem's (which I like) and Berkhof's (which can be a bear to read, but in some areas - such as Sheol - he goes into greater depth than Grudem).

I see what you mean, Mark, about having a good Systematic Theology (or two or five or so...).

Excellent post!

November 16, 2007 8:35 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

Susan, I have on order Robert Reymond's "A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith", and should be getting it soon.

November 16, 2007 9:12 AM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

(I would sign in as 'other', but that is not possible)

Henry Thiessen's Systematic Theology is definitely one of the best.

However, the original edition is out of print.

The current edition was revised by V. Doerkerson, who took the liberty (a big liberty in my view) of changing the arguments of the book from a Non-Calvinist view of election to a Calvinistic view.

Every Blessing in Christ


November 16, 2007 9:41 AM

Blogger jazzycat said...

Why would you sign in as other? Am I missing something?

Good description of conversion. Do you have e-mail back? Well, I guess I could just try it.....

November 16, 2007 9:59 AM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Talk to Mark about it, Wayne.

I leave the matter to his judgment.

November 16, 2007 10:14 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

Matthew, I've had a change of mind about that policy. You may come over here with your avatars and all.

Please feel free to comment here as before.


November 16, 2007 10:46 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

Brothers and sisters in Christ:

Please remember Gayla and her husband in your prayers as her father-in-law has just passed into the presence of the Lord.


November 16, 2007 11:25 AM

Blogger Even So... said...

Prayers being said...good post also, BTW...

November 16, 2007 2:51 PM

Blogger Susan said...

Thank you, Mark, for informing us of the privilege of being able to pray for Gayla's family during this time. My first thought when I read your comment was "Thank God He knew the Lord." Many have family who don't when they pass.

Oh, and why Robert Reymond's? Just curious. I'm not familiar with him, but the name rings a bell somehow.

I may have to put Thiessen's ST on my Christmas list.

November 16, 2007 9:08 PM

Blogger Susan said...


A quick search on amazon yielded this:


and on this page I see several copies of Thiessen's ST dated 1961 from $15 US on up. Could that be the original edition that you reference?

November 16, 2007 9:11 PM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

The original edition was published in 1949. The edition revised by Vernon Doerkerson was published in 1979.

Given that you are a Calvinist, you would probably prefer the revised edition.

God Bless


November 17, 2007 5:38 AM

Blogger Even So... said...

Susan, I have Reymond's ST...it has been called the finest of the last 50 years...it is actually lectures compiled...it is in one (large) volume, Reformed perspective, thorough, up to date scholarship, well done, IMO...no I do't go for everything in there, but it is a fine tome for any theological library, I'd say a must...

November 17, 2007 7:34 AM

Blogger Susan said...


I suppose I would prefer the Calvinist version, but only if true to the author's original intent.

I don't understand, however, how one individual can change another individual's writings, especially those as 'even so' wrote are a compilation of lectures. How does he have the authority to do so?

November 17, 2007 8:09 AM

Blogger Susan said...

Even so,

Oh dear. I'm tempted all the more.

I've scarce (actually, hardly) made it through Grudem's and Berkhof's - relying on them mostly for reference - while Mark tells me to read Grudem's cover to cover - a goal I may set for myself for 2008. Tis a weighty book.

That said, I'm tempted now to go back and look at Thiessen's on amazon. The prices are reasonable. I just want to be sure I'm going to read it and that it's worth the investment. I appreciate your encouragement.

I do so enjoy having both Grudem's and Berkhof's for comparison. Like you wrote about Thiessen, I don't agree with each of them on every point, but find their presentation and points made to be very worthwhile reading.

November 17, 2007 8:11 AM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

It does seem a bit cheeky.

There is a footnote to indicate that Thiessen disagreed with unconditional election, however on the next pages, Doerkerson gives arguments in favour of unconditional election and concludes in favour of that doctrine.

Every Blessing in Christ


November 17, 2007 10:18 AM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

The revised version does retain Thiessen's Dispensationalism, however.

November 17, 2007 10:19 AM

Blogger Susan said...

Well, I may pass on Thiessen's ST. I appreciate the info, Matthew. I'm not keen on revisions by other people, as you have described.

That along with the fact that I'm not in agreement with dispensationalism will probably persuade me to keep my money in my pocket.

November 17, 2007 1:13 PM

Blogger Gayla said...

I just popped in and saw the comment, Mark. Thank you. And thank you all for your prayers.

Funeral is today at 5:00, then burial on Tues at DFW National Cemetery.

November 17, 2007 1:24 PM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Susan, that you do not agree with Dispensationalism is a good reason for you to get Thiessen or some other Dispensational work.

You can hardly be in a sound position for criticising Dispensationalism if you refrain from ever reading dispensational writings.

I get so annoyed when people who have never read a single work of Reformed theology attack Calvinism, and they are often the one's who attack it the loudest.

Every Blessing in Christ


November 18, 2007 10:01 AM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Like Bob Dylan sang in 'The Times they are a Changin'-

"Don't cricise what you can't understand"

People need to stop doing that with Calvinism.

November 18, 2007 10:03 AM

Blogger Susan said...

Good points, Matthew.
You are absolutely correct.
I may have to reconsider Thiessen's ST.
Btw, how many STs do you have?
And how many have you read?

November 18, 2007 8:15 PM

Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Let me count:

WH Griffith Thomas (Evangelcial Anglican), Wayne Grudem (Charismatic Reformed Baptist), RT Kendall (Charismatic moderate Calvinist), LD Hart (Charismatic Southern Baptist), Louis Berkhof (Reformed), Henry Thiessen (Dispensational Baptist), Smart and Konstantine (liberal and ecumenical).


Read all of them.

November 19, 2007 3:28 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

Well done, Matthew.

November 19, 2007 7:43 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

I have read:

"Knowing The Doctrines Of The Bible" by Myer Pearlman - from my days in an Assemblies of God offshoot church.

Wayne Grudem's Systematic

and have begun:

Robert Reymond's "A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith" which I hope to complete by mid 2009.

I highly encourage people to read as many systematics as possible.

November 19, 2007 7:52 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

Others I plan to work on are:

"Systematic Theology" by Charles Hodge - which I own; it's a three volume set. Spurgeon required it to be read by the students in his Bible school in its later years.

"Studies in Theology" by Loraine Boetttner (it's a man).

November 19, 2007 8:01 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

"Studies in Theology" by Loraine Boetttner (it's a man). I bought that used at an used book shop. It's amazing the gold you can find in those used book shops.

November 19, 2007 8:10 AM


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