LOOKING TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP JESUS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Saturday, April 18, 2009


The last couple of days have been interesting. I've seen both the FGA and the GES reach back to L.S.Chafer as an early forebear of their system. Both seem to believe that their position is a direct descendant of his theological train of thought; yet they are at odds with eachother. Hmmm.

Some in the GES say that their system is actually consistent free grace (consistent as far as taking Chafer's theology to its logical conclusions?), while the FGA says that is not so and point up things that Chafer taught that would seem to suggest that he would be opposed to the GES gospel.

Well which is it?

Chafer taught that there is such a thing as a "carnal Christian". He sought to draw a dichotomy between a spiritual Christian and a carnal one. Therein he introduced a whole new way to do theology - draw man-made divisions into God's word, divisions that are not warranted in scripture. Thus I wonder if indeed the GES is onto something in claiming direct lineage from Chafer, and that the FGA's conclusions are arrived at by being inconsistent with Chafer's way of doing theology.

Let's discuss this... Also, check out http://easygoer1.blogspot.com/



Blogger jazzycat said...

The Bible tells us that Christians are led by the Spirit of God; ergo, there are no carnal Christians as defined by Chafer. There are no Christians who are totally unaffected by the Holy Spirit.

The teaching and acknowledgment of the facts concerning the person and work of Jesus Christ is not adding works to salvation. The obedience and works that flow from Christians is not adding works to justification. Sanctification is different from justification and follows after justification. Why is the GES sect so judgmental of Christians that teach the concept of sanctification and discipleship?

I am puzzled as to why so many of these free grace (GES) advocates go to what they call lordship salvation churches. Can't they find any that preach the cross-less gospel? Could it be that the cross-less gospel believers are mostly a small cult-like internet sect?

April 19, 2009 9:37 AM

Blogger mark pierson said...

you say, "Could it be that the cross-less gospel believers are mostly a small cult-like internet sect?"

We can only hope that is so. Whole churches filled with people who are not led of the Spirit, but rather led by emotions; yea, those who gut the whole biblical concept of regeneration, those who spend more time trying to find ways to make the Bible say that people who are sold out to living carnally after some kind of profession of faith that they were saved and are guarenteed Heaven; well I don't see much of a future for such a church. On the other hand churches filled with people who "add to their faith virtue, to vitue knowledge, to knowledge self control, to self control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love", those are the vital and living churches which would seem to stand in stark contrast to churches filled with GES types.

April 19, 2009 6:02 PM

Blogger mark pierson said...

See Haykin

April 19, 2009 6:41 PM


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