LOOKING TO PRAISE AND WORSHIP JESUS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. 18 No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].

Saturday, April 25, 2009

Some Thoughts on the FGA vs the GES debate

I am currently watching the discusion going on between the FGA and the GES on Dr. Fred Lybrand's blog, http://fredlybrand.blogspot.com/2009/04/ges-gospel-lybrand-open-letter.html. The first page is the first two hundred comments. At the bottom of that page there is a link that you can click in order to see the rest of the comments. It is a very interesting read.

I did not comment there because my L/S Calvinism would be used by some to divert attention away from the real discusion.

My own thoughts are that the GES has taken their eyes off of Christ and put them on the salvation of man. From there they zero in on the promises of Christ for the appropriation of eternal life. The Gospel of John to them is the only book of the Bible that speaks as the authority to consult concerning the content of saving faith in an gospel presentation to the lost.

Segmenting the Word of God. Manmade divisions into His Word. This is not the way to go.

To them the gospel accounts of Jesus' life and miracles are merely to put forth Christ as qualified to give eternal life to man. I think the apostle John would beg to differ. Jesus came to reveal the Father. He was the last Word of the Father to a lost world. Looking at Jesus was to look at the Father. Hearing Jesus was to hear the Father. Eternal life is knowing both the Father and the Son. John 17:3. Out of that person's belly will flow rivers of living water, which is God the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel of John is about Jesus from begining to end. He came to show us the Father; not to present Himself as qualified to give eternal life. Know Him and you will have eternal life.

4 Comments:

Blogger Gayla said...

"...the GES has taken their eyes off of Christ and put them on the salvation of man. From there they zero in on the promises of Christ for the appropriation of eternal life. The Gospel of John to them is the only book of the Bible that speaks as the authority to consult concerning the content of saving faith in an gospel presentation to the lost."I think you summed it up nicely right here.

I'm not reading much of all this anymore. It's an unbiblical stance, and reading about it causes me too much frustration.

April 26, 2009 9:06 AM

 
Blogger jazzycat said...

Mark,
Wow, that was interesting.

I think, as I have previously stated, when men believe that eternal life is controlled by human decision and human sovereignty rather than God’s grace and God’s sovereignty, then all kind of misconceptions about salvation occur. One comment by Antonio on that thread pointed this out as he was discussing exactly what must be believed to be born again. This presupposes that the Holy Spirit is waiting for human beings to make the correct human decision so he [The Holy Spirit] can regenerate them. No wonder they are confused, with a system that puts salvation in the control of human beings and leaves God with the role of issuing get out of hell free cards based on what humans decide.

Calvinist may debate a lot of issues, but they are of one mind on the source of grace, faith, and eternal life.

Wayne

April 26, 2009 1:04 PM

 
Blogger mark pierson said...

Wayne,
good points about the nonCal position on God having to respond to human faith.

When I'm feeling better I'll expand on my thoughts here. Right now I have a very nasty headcold.

April 26, 2009 2:49 PM

 
Blogger jazzycat said...

Mark,
Hope you are feeling better soon. I think I am about to recover from my bout with a sinus infection.

April 26, 2009 9:38 PM

 

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